Wednesday, November 05, 2008

Kind Of Blue

It was just a couple of minutes ago that MSNBC called Indiana for Obama. Today was a good day electoralizationally, but the capper is finally getting to see Hillbillyana go blue for the first time since 1964, which was when the Civil Rights Act was passed and racists stopped voting for Democrats. Shades of that racism still exist in the south, which is one of the reasons - though, admittedly, probably not a major one (if it were a college football team it would be Boise State - and if you get that reference, I'm impressed) - that the GOP has been able to hold this country in a Jesus Christ pose (that's another quasi-esoteric reference) for better than a generation. I don't imagine the state of Indiana has completely shed its goofy conservative roots, but this is a good start. Still way too many red counties, but the ones where the smart people are - Marion, and pretty much pick a county where there's a major university - went for Obama. It's not often that I'm proud of Indiana for anything, but I'm mostly proud of Indiana tonight (okay, technically, it's this morning).

6 comments:

Michael Maier said...

Yeah, cuz RACISM is the only reason to not vote for the prick.

Weak, dude. Very weak.

John-O said...

That wasn't even close to my argument.

Solid misinterpretation, though.

Prime Mover said...

"which was when the Civil Rights Act was passed and racists stopped voting for Democrats."

Not sure what your getting at here but in terms of percentages more Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights act then Democrats.

Besides, what exactly would you call only voting for Barack b/c he's black? Not racist?

"that the GOP has been able to hold this country in a Jesus Christ pose (that's another quasi-esoteric reference) for better than a generation"

You make it sound like Ronald Reagan has been president for the last 50 years, there have been Democrats in office there big guy. Most recently a corrupt guy named Bill Clinton.

"I don't imagine the state of Indiana has completely shed its goofy conservative roots, but this is a good start."

Right now there isn't a Republican in sight in the Windy city, all Democrat, and it is a very corrupt city with high a high crime rate, high murder rate and very high taxes. So while I agree that being all conservative is not good, being all Liberal is not a good alternative either. It's called checks and balances, we will have a Democrat president with a Democrat congress (with a lower approval rating than Bush). I'm a tad nervous, you should be too. Who knows what crazy bullshit they will be passing for the next 2 years.

"but the ones where the smart people are - Marion, and pretty much pick a county where there's a major university - went for Obama."

So they are smart b/c they went for Obama? The same guys that binge drink, say "dude" a lot, are susceptible to suggestion and peer pressure and major in Communications and General Studies thinking that they will be getting an $80,000/yr job when they get out? I must be a complete dumb fuck voting for McCain, and a hillbilly to boot.

"it's not often that I'm proud of Indiana for anything"

No offense, you can move to another state that you can be proud of, nothing is keeping you here.

Jason L. Maier said...

Here in Massachusettes there was a college student who called in to sports radio talk show (they talked about politics a lot lately). He mentioned that during an open discussion, about the world and the election, at his school...that a professor was asked if he was looking forward to Obama being president even though he's a socialist? The professor replied, saying he could only hope for the best thing for this country. This reply was met with applause and celebration.

College is overrated for the most part. There are a few trades that it is necessary for (teachers, doctors, lawyers). Why not stop going to schools where they rape the students for money and not give a shit about any of them. Oh wait...that's all of them. I'm sorry...I would guess that a lot of people are sick of paying for college when it doesn't always help them the way they want. I would guess that is why the college towns voted for Obama. Obama wouldn't have won Indiana if it weren't for Gary anyways. Let's talk about eduacated, considering it use to be the murder capitol of the US.

John-O said...

Jason,

It's true that Obama would not have won Indiana without Lake County (Gary), but quite a lot more counties went for Obama than went for Kerry. Your evaluation of college is...just...wow. I mean, that's not even close to what college is. It's not even close.

There are already elements of socialism in place in our economic system. Obama did not invent or implement those elements. Not all elements of socialism are bad. Not all elements of capitalism are good.

If the current financial crisis - think AIG execs going on cruises while the government buys their stock and/or their bad debt - isn't enough to make people understand that unfettered capitalism can be oppressive, then it's not a lesson the stupid electorate in this country is likely to learn.

There are a few arguments Obama that are dumber than the socialism one, but not many.

John-O said...

I can't believe I agreed with that. That's what I get for firing off a half-thought-out comment at the end of a long, annoying day at work.

I was wrong. Obama did not win Indiana because of Gary. I based my agreement solely on checking the margin of victory for Obama in Lake County, which was greater than Obama's margin of victory in Indiana.

In 2004, Kerry won Lake County 61-38, by 42,840 votes. In 2008, Obama won Lake County 67-32, by 71,186 votes.

In 2004, Kerry won Marion County 50-49, by 6177 votes. In 2008, Obama won Marion County 64-35, by 105,816 votes.

There was no question he was going to win Lake County. The question was whether or not there would be enough support in the rest of the state for him to carry Indiana. He won Indiana by winning more counties in 2008 than Kerry won in 2004 and by increasing the margin in Marion County by so many votes.

I'm embarrassed that I agreed with you so quickly without fully looking into the numbers and without understanding what really made you say that that was the reason Obama won Indiana.